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are you ready for good [Music] talk and hello there good Friday to um to all of you on the good talk World Rob Russo Shanty bear are both here I'm Peter Mansbridge um a big day in the nation as the nation welcomes its uh 24th prime minister officially today the right honorable Mark Carney uh becomes a prime minister after being sworn in by the governor general and Justin Trudeau has stepped down and is moving out the other thing that happens of course is there's a new cabinet appointed um as we record there's still uh there there still have yet to release the names we have a good idea but we I don't want to get bogged down in names anyway but what I can do is get started with this issue of the fact that that carne is appointing a much smaller cabinet probably about you roughly half the size uh of the cabinets we've been used to in the kind of you know modern politics era um so my question is is you know falls out of the old Size Matters thing uh does size matter is is smaller necessarily better rob you start us um yeah I think so I think the uh the the swelling of cabinet to to grotesque uh levels that we've seen in the last few years and it happens to every government every government comes in with a cabinet of around 25 to 30 and then it ends up going to 40 sometimes over 40 uh it happened with Mr Harper it it h it happened certainly with Mr Trudeau um some of those jobs are meaningless and they're bobles um and um they're meant to uh to to to reward people in certain regions and people of certain religions people of certain uh ethnicities it's it's it's it's not really a working cabinet often um which is why you had in some governments the priorities and plannings commission like the P&P people like there are five or six people who really do run government on a minute by minute hour by hour day byday basis along with the public service so yes this one here is is interesting I don't think it's going to last if it's below 20 really below 20 we haven't had below 20 since the population of Canada was 16 million people okay it's now 41 million people so uh is it going to stay there I'd be really really surprised if it's G to stay there um what what I'm looking for is not just size I'm I'm looking for things like is he going outside of the current liberal caucus for cabinet members he we know now uh we had an idea last week but we know now that uh he did try to reach outside of the liberal party uh he did approach Jean shade uh he has approached some other people I think he's approached some new Democrats and he's approached some Progressive conservatives elsewhere as well uh are they going to make the leap now uh as a as cabinet ministers who don't have seats or or are they going to wait to run that's the kind of thing that I'm looking for I think the size now is transitory um this is going to be a kind of uh an election cabinet um because it looks like we'll be in a campaign in 10 days from now yes they will have responsibilities particularly those with the United States but otherwise it's uh one of those things remember when we were younger there used to be a a red box on on a lot of the the telephone polls that said break this glass in case of fire and Pull and the fire guys will come in along it I think it'll be one of those cabinets that you break you know you'll you'll go to them if you need them otherwise um you're not going to need them they're a campaign cabinet um but I I'll be looking for who are The Outsiders that come in and um what does it say if if they're outside of the party well you must be a lot older than I thought you were even I don't remember he was around and you don't they were well they were everywhere many of them are still in old school buildings by the way and i' not no by that I think I have a grandson and once well okay I'm not going there I know I'm going to get in trouble and I could be wrong so let's not do this and ruin someone's future at an early age um I'm going to well I I am of the school of smaller cabinets I don't believe that they should be smaller just for the duration of an election campaign to send a message or to uh put down uh an electoral or or a special fire I will go out on a limb and say that I believe that this smaller version of cabinet will not disappear the day after the election if Mark Carney wins that he will keep uh to a smaller cabinet at least for a while uh I can't put a a number on a while but I would expect uh about a year and a half why do I believe smaller cabinets are important because the larger the cabinets as we have seen the least the less influential the body that is the cabinet actually is that there are so many people around the table who have segments of portfolios inside a a real portfolio we used to call them Secretary of State or Min and now suddenly they're full-fledged minister in the same sense by the way if you're going to go for inflated language that the caucus critics in the conservative party you suddenly become Shadow minister which I over time I've come to believe means that we rarely hear from any of them hence the shadow thing but um this particular cabinet is uh meant to send the message that this is kind of a war cabinet or a Unity cabinet in the case of a referendum a a group of people a team that will be focused on one main job there will be other issues there always are uh but the main job is going to be Canada US and the economy and for that reason uh the people who matter most are people who are already pretty much where they were before the shuffle that would be the trio uh of ministers that have been on the front line of the Canada US file so Dominic lbl um Philip champ and mean interestingly enough this morning uh the leader of the black is saying that the shuffle means that the only interests that will be really defended by this government are going to be Ontario interests there three names I named two of them are from Quebec I'm assuming they are not going to be going into this uh conversation or continuing it with the US to uh kind of say we're here to defend Mr Ford who seems to do a good enough job of defending himself Jean shz and he was mentioned has turned down uh the overtures that is not to say that he would not take a role I'm sure like some others he would really like to be our Envoy to Washington um and he would find that more suited but why do I also think Shan Shaga refused I don't think it's out of love for the conservative party I think it's because he already has a seat at the Canada US table as part of the Canada US Council so why would he want a seat at cabinet that probably would be once removed from the front line when he already has one on the front line and seems to be enjoying himself immensely in a professional way uh dealing with this issue and being in the media there are two people that seem to have gotten quite a shot in the arm from this debate one of them is obviously Premier Ford but the other one is former Premier J sh both have more of a spring in their step uh now that this challenge is being t uh to Canada I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing for people to have purpose but I think the message from today's cabinet is we are focused on an existential issue and not withstanding what the opposition will say and it's fair game the existential issue is not the survival of the liberal government in the election it's the Canada US file okay you've brought up a lot of good things I want to I want to U touch base on them but first of all let me tie the knot on this um smaller versus bigger cabinet um because I tend to agree with Shantel I you know if in fact Carney is able to win an election I don't think he'll suddenly go to a bigger cabinet um even knowing full well as and conceding Rob the the points you make about why we end up with bigger cabinets mainly for political reasons but when you look at Mark carne's background which is not politics um wherever he's been there hasn't been this big group around him there have been smaller groups whether it was the Bank of Canada the bank of England or whether it's been in the private sector uh he's used to a room that is much uh smaller in terms of the numbers in in around him uh advising him taking part in the discussions and debates so I just wonder whether he's more perhaps more comfortable with something like that but it's a big if wondering what his second cabinet may look like because he got he's got to get passed on Election yet and we're far from uh that having happened yet we may be close to it happening but uh trying to assume what might might happen in it is uh is something else um okay I want to you know the number of things that Shantel raises you know whether it's this perception of we're going to have a war cabinet um or whether it's it's the whole Doug Ford Mark Carney thing kind of good cop bad cop which seems to be developing with these two who clearly have a relationship I mean their buddy buddy breakfast the other day and the pictures they they put out online certainly would seem to indicate that oh it was a Carney people who put it online we have to make a distinction there there was a reason why they did that but go ahead yeah but the four people didn't object they didn't say I'm sorry that this picture came out it was a big secret yeah well you go rob tell me tell me what well look um again my this this is something that that uh worries and irks uh the people around Pier PV and they are concerned about it for a reason uh Premier for just one a third successive majority mandate he right now is Riding High um he has been friendly with liberals uh throughout Justin Trudeau's time in office um he hold sway he's saying some very good things about uh about Mr Carney now um there there are people who are not just irked about it but they they they question the Loyalty it isn't loyalty it's political calculus it's always good for an Ontario Premier to have a liberal in Ottawa for all kinds of reasons particularly in circumstances where the next prime minister is probably going to come in and have to look after some very very difficult times uh times that are going to be tough on Ontario uh and if there is going to be anybody wielding a rusty Axe and Mr PV has talked about swinging a Cleaver uh then then that's not going to reflect well on the premier of Ontario who's a conservative so uh it's smart politics for Mr Carney they didn't just have pictures there was a guy holding a camera there one of those handheld cameras that swept out gracefully pulled back from the breakfast it was it was beautifully lit lovely shine on Lovely Focus this was a campaign commercial okay and we are in the middle of a campaign the campaign's already started the conservatives have got their headquarters up on the East End of Ottawa a couple of kilometers away from me that was a campaign commercial and it was a shot it was a carny shot at the conservatives so a few points um does if you don't remember 2019 Mr Ford certainly does 2019 is the year when Andrew Shear is leader and Mr Ford is starting off as Premier and as basically ordered to stay in his basement for the duration of the campaign to not even show up to Federal conservative events in his own writing so if if you if I remember that do you not think that Mr Ford remembers it every single day of the week Andrew shear happens to be very close to PV there was even a story recently that had him as a possible future Finance Minister for this country do you really think that the Mr Ford is looking forward to spending a lot of time with P PV and Andrew sheer over the next four years the answer is a clear no the the glue of this relationship between Premier Ford and the federal government is the they are the real buddies they're like this they they they they they smoke cigars together they get along they like being with each other this is a premier who spoke about having a evening conversations with his friend chrisa freand so this does translate well for one it's very useful to the federal government why because Ontario has is the industrial and the economic engine of the country the larger one if the premier of Nova Scotia was called for and was doing all this it wouldn't have the same impact in the US because Nova Scotia for all of its qualities does not carry the way that Ontario does so to have the premier of the largest province with a majority mandate and four years ahead of him be uh in agreement with the federal government in articulating this strategy is actually a great thing for both governments but probably a great thing for Canada not withstanding the fact that some Premier wake up sometimes in the morning wishing that the Mr Ford stayed in bed a bit longer but um it has consequences for the next election and a practical way Premier Ford has instructed this caucus to not participate in the next federal campaign to stay out of uh Federal events to to keep their people away from the campaign in Ontario and you know what most of them will actually obey that order why because Premier Ford is in a position to punish them or reward them on behavior that includes ministers so while he is said that he will not be taking a stance in the federal election that you should translate into he will not be supporting PV in the upcoming election campaign two things uh to keep in mind on that point is the Doug for conservatives and the pier POV conservatives are are different you know Ford's conservatives are progressive conservatives the old PC party um you know closer to the red Tory Wing that that would be a stretch putting them all the way there but they're closer to that certainly than the pev wing but second and people who deny this do so at their Peril there is a deg there is a strong degree of dislike between POV and and and Ford Ford has not forgotten what Shantel just mentioned and other things that happen in that same time period um and uh that is a real looming problem for the federal conservatives in any election campaign we'll see how H how how it actually turns out but it's it sits there as a real problem can I just can I just highlight why that's important if look at polls the polls show a tightening of the race uh in some cases neck and neck but the a lot of the polls I'm thinking of the Leer poll which had them almost neck and neck the recent Le uh the Conservative Party of Canada is still ahead in the province of Ontario uh and so if if Mr Ford can if he doesn't come out and support Mark Carney nobody's saying that but if he can be kept on the sidelines if the machine can be kept on the sidelines then the liberals have a chance to pick up some seats in Ontario they normally wouldn't get particularly now that the NDP numbers are down that the Conservative Party of Canada was really counting on picking up some seats in Union country in Southwestern Ontario Southern Ontario uh Northern Ontario where the NDP vote is normally strong if that NDP vote stays down like it is now then it's a race between liberals and conservatives and that's what the Liberals want that's the danger for conservatives in the province of Ontario you know as as liberals may be excited about the Doug Ford positioning it is extremely unlikely in fact I think we can wager the farm on this one he's not going to come out and declare his support that's right Carney H but not declaring his support for PR POV is uh could be just as damaging as the other let me get let me get back to Carney and um and seantel you start us on on this one uh Carney has said he's willing to talk to Trump when Trump shows some respect um what does he mean the closest uh I'm not I can't speak for Mr Carney who has given few uh interviews uh over this leadership campaign and even fewer since he became leader I think this will be his first maybe or to today would would be his first Q&A with journalists uh on the occasion of the shuffle but the the more explicit comment that seemed to substantiate this expression was an interview where he explained that U he is not going to be going to marao to have what is it meat meat pie or whatever they were serving there that if he is going to meet uh Mr Trump is going to be as the leader of a government meeting in another government leader in a meeting room um where those things happen now I think that uh having watched what happened with President zinski there is absolutely no appetite to have Mark KY go and Kiss the Ring um with with people who treat their guests uh as if they were um meeting tugs that are waiting to rupt them which is basically a setup that could be replicated for the prime minister of Canada so I don't expect that Mark Carney is looking for an early meeting with Donald Trump in any way shape or form I think he wants to meet him when they have something other to discuss than these crazy musings about anex the annexation of Canada which is why that first foreign trip uh is I think very cleverly um going to happen in France and great and the UK and not South of the Border because if he goes out there is only one thing he can do he has to meet the president or not go uh and why I think it's a good idea is because this is a comfort zone for Mark Carney he knows those players uh across the pond he will get meetings easily uh and it will showcase him in his job as prime minister just before he calls an election so yes smart move and and there are many issues that Canada wants to discuss with both uh of the the leaders of countries Ukraine is one of those it's not just economics and tariffs and will you come and support us and save us from Donald Trump if he wants to take us over but I I suspect and I don't know this but I suspect that ideally Mark Carney would like to be meet Donald Trump for the first time as a prime minister with an electoral mandate in his pocket and maybe not much before the G7 and early June yeah the the the G7 offers that opportunity for Mr Carney to have as close to a command presence as he's going to have um because he'll be hosting the G7 in Canon askus uh uh Shantel is absolutely right if elected if he wins an election that's right well yes I forgot there's an election happening imminently we have we've called it nobody else has but I think it's going to happen um look the traditional trip often is to Washington but can you imagine can you imagine Mr Carney having to sit in the same seat that zilinsky was sitting in with lutnick on one side of him JD Vance on the other sitting beside Donald Trump uh the risks are enormous Mr Trump uh loves to make his guest squirm uh loves to go on and on about things that have nothing to do with the relationship uh while the guest sits there and waits uh uh loves uh those who come to uh tug their for loock and to flatter him uh and that that can't be Mark carne's uh style going going in um not only does does Mr Carney know the players well in Europe like he he endorsed Rachel Reeves as as the chancellor of the ex Checker he served under economic advisory commission so he knows the labor party very very well um he and M get on exceedingly well he's an admirer of mrcon I know macron is in trouble right now but he's an admirer of macron he's going to get a very warm welcome there uh talk about campaign commercials you know they're going to be cutting commercials of this guy being welcomed in the uh in the capitals of the old world and he'll be welcomed in style these are in many ways kindered Spirits um so uh you want to look like a prime minister you you you do that you you want to look like a a supplicant or you want to risk being made to look like a supplicant you go into Donald Trump's White House where his fantasies of Empire are not going to be unrestraint they're going to be on on full display as a matter of fact I was I was amused to to listen to Donald Trump twice this week talk about how Canada could could keep its national anthem which was very kind of him Oh Canada uh while remaining a great state it reminded me of the wonderful Quebec comedian Nan desan who used to say that what quebeckers really want was to uh to to have an independent Quebec inside of a strong and United Canada I it sounded like he was channeling Ivan desan which was crazy but that's the kind of lunacy he'd be subjected to I um we got to take a we got to take a break I said the other day on the on this program and I and I still feel it that to me showing respect would start with Trump calling the prime minister of Canada the prime minister of Canada and until he was willing to do that instead of his this Governor 51st state stuff that uh Carney should just stay stay away from it let Leblon do uh what Leblon does and Jolie do what Jolie does but don't get into it stay away from it um to me that's showing respect but we'll see anyway um we will be uh back right after this because there's lots more to talk about on good talk this week [Music] after more than two decades as a journalist with CTV News asking the questions I'm now helping clients answer them I work with CEOs associations unions building confidence and helping them prepare for everything from media interviews to board presentations it comes down to being authentic engaging and relatable because it's more than just what you say but how you say it so let's talk welcome back you're listening to a good talk for this Friday shant Telly bear Rob Russo here in the house I'm Peter mans you're listening on SiriusXM channel 167 Canada talks uh or on your favorite podcast platform or you're watching us on our YouTube channel and uh whatever platform you choose we're glad to have you with us uh you both mentioned this uh European trip um the Prime Minister the new prime minister is set to uh to board uh uh the Canadian uh plane and head over to Europe to at least to Britain and France it wouldn't Shock Me in the slightest if he pops up in keev as well uh for all the reasons that are kind of obvious as to why that would be probably a smart play in his first week in the job and just before an election campaign is called uh but that's C if that's going to happen it certainly hasn't been announced that way um it's interesting to watch the you know you mentioned the G7 Rob but there's also uh the the the meeting that took place uh just over the last few days between foreign ministers from the different G7 countries that kind of sets up the Canon ascus a agenda it was interesting to watch the number of uh other participants who turned up who know M joli who was the host uh of this conference to know her well from past meetings but they were were wearing Canada pins they were saying the right things we have your back all things that haven't been kind of obviously said in the past few months uh by Canada's allies um does that make a difference do you you think the sight of that the hearing that makes a difference and uh rob you start I I think uh i' I'd be more inclined to think it was significant their leaders started to say things like um what what uh what president Trump is saying about Canada is unacceptable when it comes to an ally and a loyal friend of the United States I I'm not hearing that yet I I'm hearing a lot of uh biting of tongues uh and I'm hearing a lot of people in in foreign embassies here in Ottawa say things like we have allies but we also have interests our own interests our own economic interests I I note that the Australia and some other countries have not decided to respond immediately to Mr Trump's tariffs like Canada has they're they're watching Canada they're learning from Canada's uh I think more uh pugnacious posture when it comes to responding to the terrorist because unlike them we respond immediately we signal that we're going to respond we respond immediately they're trying to learn from it they're Consulting Canada but they're reluctant to do it they they are reluctant to go beyond uh quite frankly what what is flattery often in their in their dealings with Donald Trump and with his administration um and they they recognize they say yeah it's kind of crazy down there when you when you talk to diplomats you listen to Howard lutnick and it's difficult to discern a difference between Howard lutnick and those around Kim Jong Neel Howard lutnick has has given Mr Trump the powers to see around corners see through walls superpowers expect I expect to hear that Donald Trump has birdied all 18 of the holes he's going to play on the weekend any moment now um so I'll I'll be more impressed by those kinds of symbol silent and symbolic things uh when I hear the leaders saying that what Mr Trump is doing to Canada is unacceptable and I haven't heard it yet there is some uh keeping powder dry until that April 2nd uh General Terr which is actually just around the corner so it's really hard to u to assess the eu's response until this happens uh and to see what will happen then but um as for and and I'm like Rob I'm not very impressed by the Canada pins and the uh wearing white or red or whatever suits you to show something that you don't want to talk about I'm sure Denmark has thoughts about these very polite responses to threats to um territorial Integrity uh and has found that um its allies uh in Europe are very discreet and their support but um as for Mr letnik I'm convinced that if things keep going south in the US with the economy uh with markets uh with um approval numbers that the person who will be thrown overboard is going to be letnik uh that at some point if Donald Trump thinks this is really going badly he's going to find someone to point the finger through and guess who's in the crosshairs of that um irrational decision to blame the guy who can't get a hearing from his boss to do things uh that would keep matters in check so I see him increasingly when I see those interviews I think he's speaking to his boss he's literally saying boss you'll never have someone who has your back more than I do I'm willing to make a fool of myself every single day many times a day to hang on to my job I don't think it's going to save his job but I'm sure you guys must have seen it this morning on social media this incredible meeting Town Hall of a Republican senator with his constituents Not only was this guy taken to task over Canada Greenland the tone humiliation of zalinski and this wasn't some suit and Tha I'm a political science major from some University that is to woke it was the opposite it was someone that if you only saw him at first you would think this is someone who is open certainly or part of the audience that Donald Trump wants but what struck me about the the the scenes on social media was not what he was saying it was the reaction of the rest of the people in the room to what he was saying they were cheering him on as he was going on the attack against his elected representative over what has been happening uh and the way the Trump Administration has been treating uh its allies its friends uh it was it was quite something to watch but if I were a strategist um for Mr Trump I would find that even more disquieting than what's been happening to the market I think you're absolutely bang on on that and you know it's funny I was I was on an American uh talk show this week um I guess I guess they couldn't they couldn't find Shan teller she was busy and hooked up so they you know don't speak English yeah they can't pronounce my name they they they called me and um they wanted they were really intrigued by the Doug Ford thing because he's done lots of Television there and the question to me was do you think he's getting through to Trump or L lck and I said actually you know I'm not so sure that's his Target I think his Target is the American people because they're not hearing the news they're not getting the news uh about what what's at play with tariffs he's talking to them he's giving them the experience that he's seeing in his Province and that they should get ready for it because they're going to see in their states and so his his Target was the American people as opposed to the American politicians you know obviously he's dealing with with politicians as well but his real Target is the people and it's starting as you said watching that town hall stuff it's starting to happen it's starting to happen in the key states which are mostly red States Trump States um and that can be incredibly damaging the one thing I'll say though is there's no evidence yet from Trump that any of this is registering he just keeps doubling down as he did yesterday I'm Never Gonna Change mind I'm what I'm backing off yeah he did he did have some kind things to say about Ford look we like I think Ford and Trump if they ever got in the same room uh would get along quite well they're they're two uh aging guys with Co flaxen hair populists that's that's who they are uh M Mr Ford has said that he he kind of supported uh Trump until Trump put the shave in in Canada and then it was in politic to support uh Donald Trump and it clearly if you listen to what Trump said uh while while he was perusing which Tesla he was going to buy there were a lineup of Teslas on the front of the West Wing of the uh the White House he he said some kind things about Mr Ford of course 24 hours later he said that he brought Mr Ford to his knees very very quickly but the two of them speak the same language uh and so I you know I I wouldn't be surprised if they got on the thing about the U the hearing uh that that's on social media that you guys were talking about earlier I think it is significant it is important but it is important also to note that that was in Asheville North Carolina North Carolina is uh did go red and that uh hearing does have a republican but that's uh one of the most liberal parts of North Carolina uh Highly Educated um moneyed got got hit very very hard in the storm uh and that was one of the reasons why they opted for for Republican the uh the hurricane late last year but that's a pretty a democratic normally part of of North Carolina and doesn't represent the the other parts of the state which are very Republican okay um so what are you saying it doesn't matter no I'm I'm I'm saying that that's not necessarily representative I I I I think it is important I think it's noteworthy that a republican Congressman got roughed up and I think what's more noteworthy is that he said that he disagreed with Trump on that although he agreed with Trump on Ukraine uh if you watch that all the way through he said that uh we need to get something back from Ukraine in other words minerals critical minerals but he didn't think that it was right for Mr Trump to uh to uh to go after Canada and and Panama a couple of allies like that I I'm saying we shouldn't take too too much about the uh uh um take too much uh in terms of the people in that crowd because they're they're that's normally a pretty liberal Democratic part of North Carolina do you think the um just to to tie notd on on this part of the conversation do you think that the end of the Trudeau era and clearly Trudeau and Trump never got along and that relationship only got worse as time moved on it there was never a kind of calming of it um do you think the end of the Trudeau era and the emergence of a new era whether it's Carney or eventually poab will signal in the in the immediate term um some calming of the waters on this issue between Canada and the US I understand tariffs is a a much bigger issue for Trump globally it's not just a Canada thing uh but the Canada relationship has really gone into the sewer and there more and more people raising questions about it sou of the Border do you think this is an opportunity that exists for Trump to calm the waters no there is there an opportunity but whether it's going to be seized I very much doubt uh basically Donald Trump has res resurrected uh Justin trudo in the dying days of his uh Prime ministership there was a an interesting poll in the US this week uh last week that the question was which foreign leader do you appreciate the most and they had a list and guess who came on top the most appreciated foreign leader in the US is called Justin Trudeau followed by UK France uh in that order so if if up to a point I don't know what Donald Trump will do you don't know I mean it's like you know it's like having a baby that doesn't yet sleep through the night maybe tonight maybe not who knows but one thing I do know is that PV and Marky have both understood that their standing in Canada does not rest on having a good relationship with Donald Trump or finding common ground on Ukraine or finding common ground on tariffs which would only involve us giving up stuff uh and not the opposite so I I'm not sure that the stars are aligning for our political leaders to actually want to have a good relationship with this person I I think I think that the there there's no doubt that the uh the relationship um between Mr Trudeau and Mr Trump was drowning and bile um now that that bile has been drained between those two men does does that mean that either Mr Carney or Mr PV have a chance to uh to to start a new just based on Donald Trump's um history it all depends on the alacrity and the artor with which his interlocutor will leap into his lap and nuzzle him in the ear uh if you don't flatter this guy you don't get anywhere with him uh which is why lotnik does the mut and Jeff routine with him every time he comes out uh so uh it doesn't matter countries have interests uh the US interests now seem seem to be to uh reindustrialize uh and to get money into their coffers Canada's interest is to safeguard its independence and sovereignty its Prosperity as well uh I I I imagine it'll take hours for the relationship the personal relationship to kurle if they have a conversation and apparently Mr Carney and Mr Trump are supposed to have a conversation shortly after he's sworn in both sides have kind of s signaled that uh that that's that's happening I expect it to be civil the first few times I expect it to though to be to to have some acid dipped barbs from Donald Trump he just does he operates that way that's his M Mo uh there there'll be gentle jbes but they'll be asset on the jbes as well and the First Federal leader who goes and flatters Donald Trump in public and does all the acts that Rob has been describing for which my vocabulary in English uh fails um is the moment that Federal leader loses the election there is no tolerance in Canada for a flattery uh moment between PV and Donald Trump or between and or Associates or between Mark kley and Donald Trump and Associates even watching um Premier Ford yesterday after the meeting with letnik uh gosh on about how it was productive with nothing to show for it except another meeting kind of made you uncomfortable at this point as in uh is he just saying that because that's the way you have to operate then you tried to cast um have or Mark cently in that role saying these things and you knew this would be bad for them in the election campaign if they ever did that I don't think it's an accident that in this case the federal ministers allowed uh Doug for to have the first kick at speaking at the media uh before they materialized in front of cameras somewh later not five minutes later uh I I I I think they didn't want to be the ones doing the or leading the oh this was so productive and then being asked so what what got accomplished and the answer obviously is nothing got accomplished uh and even if something had there is no reason to believe that Donald Trump would have uh Gone along with whatever would have been agreed to okay I got to take our final break before I do a quick one to each of you and and I mean quick complete this picture for me me um Mark Carney standing outside 10 Downing Street with kir starmer taking questions uh and photo op for their meeting and the same thing then happens in Paris with uh uh macron uh and the qu somebody yells out the question uh Mr Prime Minister speaking to starmer do you how do you feel about the US intentions to try to Annex Trump's intentions try and Annex Canada as the 51st state what does he get as an answer well his his answer should be and there's no reason why it shouldn't be that the prosperity of of all three countries uh the United Kingdom uh Canada and and uh and the United States depends on open and fair trade uh between all of them we all have our interests we all have our our faults and vulnerabilities all of us are going to work towards that Canada is a great and independent contribut to uh to peace and prosperity around the world and we would like to see that continue and we expect it to continue um yeah that's probably the UK's response because it's kind of soft and it kind of ties to blunt the edges at the corner we would like yeah Riot we would like the candidate to remain Sovereign great uh I expect a former response from Emanuel mcon who has two audiences in this country the Canadian audience at large but also the back audience uh that will be scrutinizing whatever he has to say because of the relationship uh between the two quebecers as you may have noticed have been among the most likely to cancel trips to the US boycott us products although I saw a picture of Customs at Pearson Airport at the end of the Ontario March break an empty custom Hall I was struck by how much ontarians had managed to change their holiday plans for the March break okay we're going to take our final break back uh right after this [Music] welcome back Peter Mansbridge here along with shantell bear and Rob brusso the final segment of good talk for this week is right ahead don't forget the buzz comes out tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time um you can subscribe at National newsat uh.com newsletter uh cost nothing sort of my take on things that have happened in the past seven days um okay we closed out that last segment by by really you know talking about how Canadians feel about this and I think there's been some degree of surprise um about how uniform it is across the country kind of a United feeling very upset about what um our closest friends uh are saying and are doing uh to us uh as Canadians as a result of this tariff war and as a result you a lot because of the attitude that Donald Trump has taken towards towards Canada and and I I want to you know when seantel talks about the empty Customs Hall of Pearson Airport and you know I I've seen that too we've seen it in stores um that sort of buy Canadian but not only buy Canadian taking the next step as well is talk now of the how how many Canadians are literally turning things over in stores that are made in the United States um talk to me about what what we're witnessing here in our own country on forget about the politics of it all just in terms of the ordinary citizen I've seen it in the letters that come in here I know you two have seen it in different conversations you've had um this is unlike anything we've we've ever seen before we've talked about that a little bit over the past few weeks but talk to me about where your head is at now in terms of the way Canadians are responding on this story um who wants to go first here we've got a couple of minutes any so you've got uh I'm going to speak about what I see around me I've never heard so many people uh spend so little time talking to me about Quebec politics and so much time talking about Canada US politics and what's happening federally um big things have happened on the provincial front over the pment as they have another provinces stories that would have lasted two three four days that died hours before after they emerged uh overtaken by by this issue sovereignty in the last Li poll this week is down to 29% which is one of the lowest uh level of support for sovereignty that we've seen in decades and and that is not because people are renouncing the idea of a sovereign Quebec as much as saying this is not a good time to talk about this uh we are not we are into something where we need uh to be focusing on on the larger picture and the larger picture involves uh dealing with the Americans now I will also say about what I've noticed in Quebec which I found interesting Quebec as you know has seen this before twice it has watched head offices shut down companies leave um and twice it has emerged eventually on its feet so yes there is a lot of anger and there is a lot of of concern but at some point of all of the regions in the country possibly the one that has seen these kinds of things happen before and that says when when this happens you just you know kind of get your Iraq together and do what you need to do and find other ways to resuscitate your economy do it differently um this is one place where there is being experien with that and with the cost of what all of this will bring so and I found that really interesting people aren't complaining about the rest of Canada or whatever the federal government is doing they're just carrying on because that's what you do rob you know I it's it's uh heartwarming in many many ways um you know my my parents came here from the old world and I I listened to the talk about the old world and um and and then listen to them talk about Canada and it sounds and we've had a lot of immigration since then you speak to newer Canadians and and uh the rest of us who've been here our whole lives are beginning to sound like them there is a sense of appreciation our eyes are now open to some of the things that we've always had that we haven't always appreciated a sense of appreciation and wonder for Canada for our safety our security having lived in the United States I I I had to ask U when my kids were going on a play date are do you have guns are the guns locked up those are not the kinds of conversations we have here in Canada when you do that you there's a sense of appreciation that's growing for the Wonder and the beauty of the place why because people are cancelling vacations in the United States and elsewhere and and they're going to the Rockies my daughter knows somebody who's going to go to Halifax for the first time um so there's there's this sense of appreciation not just for for what's above ground for underground we now are realizing just what our power is what why does Donald Trump why is he interested in annexing us because we have things that the rest of the world wants and water is one of those things we have to appreciate what a precious resource freshwater is going to be in this Century as as well as uh oil and gas absolutely uh somebody like Mark Carney like one of the questions I asked him is what what would you advise somebody when he was at Brookfield about who wanted to invest in in in the oil sands and he said the oil sands are an attribute we have to understand that and and so there's a sense of of appreciation for what's above ground what's underground what's around us that I haven't seen for a long long time in Canada yeah there's uh there's no doubt about that you know one of the things I wonder um is when we're going to get a sense from some official forum of the impact what Canadians have been doing you know not buying American or just buying Canadian or not going on holidays um at some point we're going to see the the the data on that see the figures see the numbers uh and there's every indication that we're going to be startled by them that they're that they're much more dramatic than we may have thought um anyway we'll see about that we'll see when it uh when those kind of uh H have a look at AIC Canada's sales to Sun destinations in the US okay the prices on tickets it's because nobody's going to Florida nobody's going to Arizona nobody's going that people aren't going that's an indication right there we're in the middle of March break season still and people are not going to Florida okay let's leave it uh let's leave it with that for this week next week will'll bring a whole new parade of stories to talk about Shantel Rob thank you so much always great to hear from both of you and thank you for listening uh we'll be back on Monday with Dr janein of course and her latest take on uh things on the Foreign Affairs front I'm Peter Mansbridge thanks for listening talk to you again soon [Music]
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Day One of the Carney administration reveals a much smaller cabinet, almost half the size of previous ones of late. But is this all about optics or does it really mean a slimmer, more accountable and effective "war" cabinet for the fight ahead? Chantal and Rob tackle that question along with the latest rumblings about what's really happening in the chaotic trade talks with the United States.
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