Trudeau Called Out By Lawyer For Conservative Party

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0:00 Trudeau Trying To Distract From REALITY 1:52 CPC Lawyer 2:02 Adresses Claim From Earlier 2:22 How Is That Different From What I Just Said 3:25 CPC MPs Have This Clearance 5:12 Back To Your Allegation 5:28 You Trudeau Could Use TRMs 6:29 If You Did Your Job You Couldnt Use This Excuse 7:25 Clicking Pen Like A Crackhead 9:39 Lawyer Calls Him An Idiot In A Lawyery Way 10:46 Trudeau Publicly Humilates His Chief Of Staff 12:14 Asked About LIBERAL MPs 12:37 Trudeau ADMITS YES 13:33 QUIET PART OUT LOUD 13:47 That Is A YES 14:10 Classic Trudeau Lie

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informations I have the names of a

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number of

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parliamentarians former parliamentarians

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and or

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candidates in the Conservative Party of

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Canada

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who uh

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are engaged or at high risk of or for

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whom they is clear intelligence around

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foreign

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interference and I have directed cus and

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others to try

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and

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inform the conservative party leader

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to

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um be warned and armed to be able to

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make decisions that

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protect the Integrity of that party of

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its members from attempts at forign act

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activities around foreign

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interference and the decision by the

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leader of the conservative party to not

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get those classified briefings means

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that

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nobody in his party not him um nobody in

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a position of power knows the names of

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these individuals and can take

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appropriate action it also means

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nobody's there to stand up for those

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individuals if the inde intelligence is

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shoddy or or or incomplete or just

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allegations from a single Source um and

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that is something that that as you've

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seen we are ready to question

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intelligence when it comes towards the

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liberal party members because we need to

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make sure if you're going to end

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someone's career you're doing it in a

CPC Lawyer

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responsible way so Mr Duca for the

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conservative party

Adresses Claim From Earlier

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you leveled some criticism and profess

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bewilderment at the leader of the CPC

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this morning not agreeing uh to receive

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a security clearance is that correct yes

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am I correct sir that Mr P has said that

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the reason he does not wish to receive

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the security clearance is because he

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does not want to be constrained in terms

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of the use he can make of the

How Is That Different From What I Just Said

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information that he would

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receive I don't believe that was his

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argument I believe his argument was that

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he wouldn't be able to talk about the

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information he received how is that

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different than what I just said because

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as leader of a political party you have

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many many tools at your disposal to act

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on information you receive you can uh

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choose to not sign the nomination of a

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candidate who is under a cloud of

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Suspicion you can uh choose to not

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Elevate them to a critic's position you

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can choose to not promise to make them a

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minister one day you can uh you have

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many you can choose which committees

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they sit on uh a leader of a party has a

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many many tools that they can use uh

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that are uh not requiring him to speak

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publicly about his knowledge uh the

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leader of a party has uh quite a bit of

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power over uh What uh happens within

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that party and that's why the ultimate

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decision maker in a political party

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should always be the leader are you

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aware that there are other security

CPC MPs Have This Clearance

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cleared individuals within the CPC that

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can and do receive regular security

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briefings um I think you're you're

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speaking of of Ian Todd the chief of

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staff among others yes um I I can't help

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but imagining how people would react if

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I sort of sat back and said well no

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Katie tford got cleared on this

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information she made a determination

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about who could run uh for me or not and

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I don't need to worry about that sort of

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stuff um Canadians didn't elect or

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conservative party members didn't select

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Mr Todd to make this decisions about who

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could run for the Conservative Party of

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Canada they expect Mr PF to take those

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decisions but he has decided that he

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doesn't want to take those decisions sir

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just over the lunch break and you didn't

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mention Mr Todd at all in in the

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bombshell disclosure that you made today

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but just over the lunch break in light

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of that uh in response to your news this

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morning that you were aware of a number

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of CPC parliamentarians and former

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parliamentarians that are at risk of

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being compromised by Foreign

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interference Mr Todd has advised that he

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has received a number of top secret

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briefings ings from the security

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establishment and in none of these

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briefings has the name of any

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conservative parliamentarian or

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candidate past or present been brought

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to the attention of Mr Todd why is that

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uh you'd have to ask cus for that but my

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uh supposition is uh that Mr Todd is not

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the one who uh is responsible for

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determining uh What uh what candidates

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uh can run or not for the Conservative

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Party of Canada that would be the leader

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and much of the information that is

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handed out uh to uh various uh

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individuals with security clearances is

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uh determined on their need to no basis

Back To Your Allegation

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you indicated today as I indicated

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earlier in a very public forum in a very

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public manner uh your knowledge of the

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names of CPC uh parliamentarians and the

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risk that they're uh they risk being

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compromised by uh foreign interference

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am I correct sir that one way that you

You Trudeau Could Use TRMs

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could arrange for those threats to be

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mitigated is through the use of threat

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reduction measures under Section 12.1 of

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the cus

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act

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um threat reduction measures are tools

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that CIS has used regularly in um many

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cases regarding different

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parliamentarians and it is very possible

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that a number of those parliamentarians

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will have had visits from CIS and either

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defensive briefings or others to try and

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mitigate the risks that they are going

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through uh that is

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different from a leader choosing uh to

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willfully remain ignorant of um very

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serious uh contentions including by the

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enop that the leadership race that

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elevated him to leader uh was

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compromised by Foreign interference and

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if the tool of the trms were used you

If You Did Your Job You Couldnt Use This Excuse

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couldn't use the leader of the

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opposition's reluctance to obtain

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security clearance as an excuse not to

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provide that information to the CPC

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isn't that

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correct I'm I'm sorry I'm not following

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can you rephrase the question sure if if

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someone wanted to get this information

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this this information about the names of

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the parliamentarians for example uh

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because of some IM imminent threat to

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the leader of the CPC trms could be used

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and in that event it wouldn't be

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necessary for the leader of the CPC to

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obtain security clearance no you're

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you're entirely wrong on that if um if

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you were to know that a certain

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candidate had a a high degree of

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exposure to foreign interference and

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vulnerability either witting or

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unwitting um giving a threat reduction

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measure to that candidate would not

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necessarily and quite frankly in my

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experience highly unlikely to have the

Clicking Pen Like A Crackhead

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con candidate uh spontaneous ly decide

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to step down as either a candidate or a

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Min A Member of Parliament and not run

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in the next election um that is a

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determination that only a leader can

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make looking at the vulnerabilities of

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that candidate looking at the behavior

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and to use the uh words of the nsia U

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potentially uh poor judgment or

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inappropriate behavior or

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untrustworthiness those are the kinds of

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things that only a leader uh can

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actually ensure for the team that

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they're building and you

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potentially future ministerial

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elevations that would then have to run

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into a security clearance process that

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uh would stop them like a brick wall uh

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knowing that as a leader as you are

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hoping to become Prime Minister of this

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country um would seem to be a very basic

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bar to hit if you want to take uh

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National Security seriously but the

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premise the underlying premise of that

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answer you just gave is that the trm has

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can only be directed at the person

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affected and not the leader of the

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opposition isn't that

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correct the trm could be directed to Mr

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PV

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the

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identities of the people

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involved um are themselves

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classified uh and available to only

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those with top secret clearances so

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certainly cus could go to uh the lead

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leader of the opposition and say you

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really have to be careful to instruct

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all of your MPS to stay away from this

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country or to be concerned about

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diplomats from that country or not

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accept money but from or not accept uh

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support from these particular diplomats

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but the trm would be unable to identify

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which of those individuals are in

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question unless the leader chose to get

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a security clearance to be able to hear

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those names and the fact that the leader

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does not leaves him in a position of

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being unable to protect the Integrity of

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his party I'm going to suggest that

Lawyer Calls Him An Idiot In A Lawyery Way

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you're wrong on your understanding of

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the law as to what a trm can and can't

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do and who it can be directed to and I'm

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going to suggest that the the fact that

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you leveled this accusation earlier

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today and didn't mention the possibility

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of a trm was just for the purpose of

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Grant standing here today on on the

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contrary uh threat reduction measures

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are regularly used to uh highlight to

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people potential vulnerabilities but

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having uh watched many uh having known a

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number of parliamentarians who went

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through trms they often come out of trms

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with a general sense of having to be

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more careful but specifics are often not

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given and there is no guarantee that a

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trm to the leader of the party uh would

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include clude the names of the people

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most at risk or most engaged in uh

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potentially problematic activity and

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that's why the refusal of the leader to

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actually access the Intelligence on

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those names uh is as I said bewildering

Trudeau Publicly Humilates His Chief Of Staff

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do you agree that uh often when cus or

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some other Security Agency uh shares

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classified information the recipient is

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severely constrained in what he or she

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can do with that information yes okay

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and in fact your own Chief of Staff

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yesterday gave evidence that the

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recipient of that information would not

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be able to use that information in any

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manner do you agree with that uh no I

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disagree because uh the party leader can

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choose to uh not allow someone to run

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for them for any number of reasons

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knowing in the back of your mind that uh

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this is the real reason but giving it as

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an example I'd actually prefer to have

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this other person run instead or uh you

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had uh uh uh uh you know sketchy

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business dealings in the past that means

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we're not going to go with you there are

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all sorts of reasons that do not uh

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prove injurious to National Security the

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leader has a level of power over who

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runs and what roles they have that

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doesn't uh require them to explain

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themselves so again the choice that Mr

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PV has made to not Avail himself of

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available in information uh of readily

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available information to him if he were

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to get a security clearance and choose

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to take National Security issues

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seriously is uh unfortunate and shows a

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lack of seriousness around National

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Security and in your uh cacious

Asked About LIBERAL MPs

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testimony earlier today you mentioned

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that you're aware of the names of past

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and present

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conservative um parliamentarians former

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parliamentarians candidates that uh are

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in risk of being compromised by Foreign

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interference uh I'd like to ask you are

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you aware of the names of any liberal

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parliamentarians former parliamentarians

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or candidates that are at risk of being

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compromised by fi yes and for other

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parties as well because I have access to

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uh large amounts of information right

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you didn't mention those today right um

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we spent an entire uh session uh the

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last time we had a public hearing

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talking about uh concerns and named

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individuals that uh that the cus and in

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agencies had within the Liberal Party

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Don Valley North comes to mind as a

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writing so as I have said many times

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there have been actions taken and

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choices made based on information we got

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because I had that security clearance Mr

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PV has decided not to get that security

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clearance so he can't even know how to

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begin or not to make decisions regarding

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that information okay so you've

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acknowledged Mr dong um I want to see if

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uh if you can help us with in connection

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with uh the warrant application that we

QUIET PART OUT LOUD

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were talking about earlier that I was

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talking about earlier with you um can

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you confirm that either the target of

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the information or one or more of the

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individuals on the banden list uh were

That Is A YES

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liberal operative sir we object to that

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question on the grounds of National

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Security with all due respect uh Madam

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commissioner when it suits the prime

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minister's purpose to say that there are

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conservatives on a list that he can

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discuss uh or he can't discuss that's

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fine but when I asked for confirmation

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if there are uh liberal operatives that

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are on a list uh my friends well I'm

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asking you in particular on that on that

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list there but that that is on the

Classic Trudeau Lie

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warrant or on the van ween list the the

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Prime Minister has absolutely no

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engagement or authorities or involvement

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in the granting of ceases warrants

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that's a very different thing than uh

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concerns about part parliamentarians who

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may have been exposed to foreign

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influence and your attempts to conflate

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them are simply ineffective well you're

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attempting to evade the question I just

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asked you if any of the names there were

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liberal operatives not whether you could

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or couldn't do anything about it that's

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all I'm asking for confirmation of well

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if I'm not sure what we're talking about

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if we're talking about the

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warrant anything that might be related

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to the warrant then there's an objection

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to the question if we're talking about

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some other list then ask the question

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about the other list

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so it's about the

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warrant the target of the warrant or the

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people that are named in the van ween

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list that that accompany the warrant the

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questions are noted I have no choice as

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you know and we'll see whether the

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commission will pursue these questions

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or not thank you madam commissioner