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hello and welcome to the news9 Plus show on the world's first news and current affairs OT platform news9 plus there's a
Canada that we see on the outside as the world's 10th largest economy a
prosperous Western developed Nation but there's a Canada beneath all of this the
Canadian underworld now Canada has organized crime syndicates with names like red
scorpions and Wolfpack Alliance and even believe it or not a group called The United Nations these gangs deal in drugs
guns and contract killings they're present in several Canadian cities and they run by gangsters of various
ethnicities because Canada is of course an immigrant Paradise immigrants make up
more than 23% of Canada's population you have African-American gangs Chinese
gangs and of was indoc Canadian organized gangs now the indoc Canadian
gangs where the members are primarily from Indian Punjab are the third largest
gangs in Canada and they're based in Alberta onario and British Colombia theyve names like d Dak dure gang the
Punjabi Mafia Mali butter and brothers Keepers these gangs primarily
responsible for gun running contract killing and cocaine smuggling you name a
crime and they're behind behind it in Canada but is this just Canada's problem
not quite because these gangs also have connections with India they're
responsible for human trafficking drug running and most worryingly these gangs these Canadian
gangs are deeply involved in the Canadian khalistan movement now the
khalistan movement as we know it is a violent secessionist movement that was backed by Pakistan in the 1980s and the
1990s Pakistan continues to back this khalistan movement that's now uh
externally based the kistan movement in India led to the deaths of over 11,000
Indian civilians in the ' 80s and the '90s this movement was wiped out in India by the 1990s but now strangely it
thrives in the West in Canada the US and in the UK for some reason they've uh
been tolerated they found shelter they open and freely preaching their agenda
of hate and while they are gangsters in Canada many of these men are designated
terrorists in India they've killed Indian citizens they've carried out violent acts of Terror on Indian soil
and this is why The Gangs of Canada should worry us here in Delhi India's
foreign Ministry has sent 26 extradition requests to Canada over the last decade
to extradite numerous Canadian gangsters there's been no response from Canada so
far Canada alleges that the Indian gangster Lawrence bishnoi is in fact carrying out killings on Canadian soil
allegedly at the behest of India but strangely Canada is silent about India's
extradition request for Goldie BR one of Lawrence bishnoi's lieutenants who is
based in Canada now on the news9 plus show tonight we're discussing how these
can Canadian gangs affect India how did the khalistan movement M this
secessionist violent separatist movement infiltrate the Canadian underworld why is Canada allowing these gangs to thrive
and joining me to discuss this is kushal Mea from Canada he's an indoc Canadian blogger a very brave one at that who's
based uh in Canada where he continues to report on issues that concern the
diaspora in Canada kushel welcome to the news9 Plus show Namaste thank you for having me and
of course I have with me in the studio here my colleague adity rajol who's also been very closely tracking The Gangs of
Canada but kushel over to you first how did Canada become the you know Sanctuary
for all these uh gangs organized crimes in Canada we always thought Canada was a very peaceloving developed Western
liberal democracy and suddenly we hear red scorpions and uh you know Lawrence
bishnoi and all of these gangs how did this all begin well the classic U aage as it goes it's
all vote Bank politics at the end of the day we have to be very careful when we have these discussions around any
country so it's not like every nuk and corner of Canada all hell has broken lose and everybody's just shoting each
other so I I want to add that cavat Absolut so I'll give you an example whether it's s British Colombia whether
it's Bramton Ontario or whether it's different parts right uh there are there are certain areas where crime is very
high in Canada yes now what happens is uh I'll give you an interesting anecdote
so when I used to study in Canada in York University near York University that used to be an intersection called Jane
and Finch right now around Jane and Finch was a crime infested area so you actually you know we used to laugh at
that time I remember studying in Canada saying uh the only spot where we find bullet holes is Jane and Finch because
Canada is so boring it used to be sort of a tourist attraction for young young
kids like you know either kind of kind of that that's how Quiet Things are in
Canada we've had a history of different gangs in Canada we've also had Sri Lankan gangs uh in Canada yeah surprise
surprise yes what what has happened is beneath all of it what I have understood by studying Canadian political history
is is actually the official political policy of Canada I don't know how many people know that Canada is the first
country that made multiculturalism mhm in courts let's understand multiculturalism as a official political
policy now in in I think it was in 2017 or 18 talking to New York Magazine when
Justin Trudeau said we are a post n national state right now what do you mean when you say things like uh we are
a postnational state essentially what you're saying is we creating we are officially sanctioning ghettoization of
our country yes so when Justin Trudeau said we don't have one national identity when you don't have one national
identity then what you're encouraging is everybody lives in ghettos and everybody calls the people they want to call
inside those GH and when you call people inside those ghettos that's when you
have these gang infestation cultures manifest as the way they have manifested in Canada it is actually directly
Downstream from the ideology of Justin Trudeau and his predecessors that have
created this culture see in America it's very different America they have a Melting Pot right there is a gravy and
everybody Blends into it it doesn't mean America doesn't have crime but it doesn't have heroization at the level of
what Canada does Canada is like a salad bowl I hope you understand what the difference between a salad bowl and a
melting poter a salad bowl is together but everybody is their individual self
right so when we talk about gangs in Canada we have to understand that it almost has had ideological and
intellectual State sanction over here right and it's very scary for people let's say if you're someone who lives in
Bramton Ontario there are certain areas you know you cannot go it's it's very scary that's scary indeed uh but kushal
you know tell us uh tell our viewers this for the benefit of viewers what how did the kistan movement really
infiltrate uh the Canadian underworld because when you look at uh the gangs in Canada they're doing a lot of violent
activities right they don't really concern India but when it comes to khalistan that's as adya says that these
are the red lines that are being crossed that when you advocate secessionism in India and you start carrying out acts of
Terror you start killing people you start fighting ing rocket launchers at police stations that's when a line is
cross how did the kistan movement infiltrate these uh gangster elements who we think were all in it for just the
money and the profits it's actually the perfect cover if you think about it if you are a gangster and you want to run a
transnational drug human trafficking and all sorts of other activities what do
you need as a perfect cover that you need the the the what is the currency in today's world victimhood poker right
victimhood is the currency today now since the 1980s post the horrific incidence in India in Punjab there was a
huge SWAT of people who did come to Canada right now the khalistanis they
actually recognize that they you know this is the perfect cover and then eventually like any secessionist
movement you're going to have gang infestation now just understand how the khalistanis operate right for any gang
culture to operate what do you need you need money making opportunities so they have entered drug trafficking they have
entered human trafficking today what if I tell you and I'm not even making this up you just have to Google Instagram and
you will see random videos of people of Indian origin putting up things like oh
it's so easy to cross the American Border just pay me $50,000 I will make you cross the American border illegally
these are all ops that fund this gang culture so why do they and listen they
need need some legitimacy so the khalistan vineer is the perfect cover
they can they can conduct all the and it's like a mutually beneficially scenario they need money to run their
khalistan Ops and the khalistani the gangsters need uh need legitimacy to run
their Gangland Ops so it's like a mutually beneficial relationship so all the gangsters are khalistanis and the
khalistanis are not saying anything about the gangsters it's and you know the perfect storm in this is here is
India sending 26 requests and now they say right right absolutely I it's a
fascinating uh examples there kushal I mean and that's the reason we come to you because of your deep insights into
politics in Canada and of course the gangster Evolution the fact that these uh there's a mutually symbiotic
relationship between the khalistanis and the gangsters and now you can't tell one from the other the khalistanis are the
khalistanis gangsters or the gangsters khalistanis it's come to that point but you know what is it that India can
really do Kush the fact that we've just mentioned how violent acts of uh secessionism uh terrorism are being
carried out based in from safe Heavens in Canada we think it's Canada as a western liberal democracy these things
don't happen there but lo and behold you have a list of gangsters we're going to come to that a little while later adya
is going to take us through this uh underworld rotten apples of the Canadian underworld but you know tell us what
India can really do what are our options today starting India has to particularly pay
attention to Pro to the oci program now I say this with full
responsibility um recently uh there was the news of a gentleman here in Canada
torting a gun outside a gurwara yes storting A gun outside of Gurdwara and lo and behold I saw videos of him just
recently visiting India right how can we how can we allow something like this in India it's a disgrace that we even
allowed that gentleman to come to India yes now the problem is that you know the Indians also need to improve their
vetting and I would wish that the government of India especially handing over ois to people of Canadian
especially Canadian passport holders they need to look into who is being given an oci I think there needs to be
extra screening of oci oci is being handled out from the Indian end secondly
journalists podcasters like me or authors like me and many others who do talk about this I think the Indian
government has to uh lend some some some folks some sort of a cushion cover here
in in in terms of uh you know raising their voice with the Canadian counterparts just recently all a
innocent journalist from Calgary Alberta did was report on the extortion yes that
they heard of how people of our own Community are extorting what happens to him the poor guy gets assaulted before
that we had the case of in my view the greatest indoc Canadian in my view is BJ
de in the 1980s he was almost beaten up to death why because he opposed the
extremism then we had Tara Singh hair who was killed and and the list is endless the list is endless the moment
khalistanis or these gangs find out there is a brown face yes talking about this they know how to shut them up now
as as I talk to you let me be very you know brutal and honest here I know what
I'm going to be facing but I still do it but the point is the Indian government can the least the Indian government can
do is help by canceling ois and being very diligent in allowing these elements
inside India to you know the Canadian foreign minister melan juli and the
leader of the NDP both said we need to sanction India the M Julie when asked our sanctions on
the table she said yes they are on the table and the leader of NDP I don't know what that even means I mean he's not
even a serious politician at times I wonder jmit Singh he says we need to sanction the diplomats I I don't even
know what that means but the point is if they want it I think India should oblige
Canada right now by stopping trade with Canada if we stop trade with Canada maybe that's what they want and maybe
that will help possibly yes thanks very much kushal you know continue to remain with us I'll introduce your other guests
who are joining us this evening it's Ambassador pru former Indian Diplomat of course you have anud bachara who joins
us from Toronto he's the Hindustan times rep in Canada and of course we have
Captain Alo bansel director of the India foundation in New Delhi gentlemen we just heard from kushal mea who's you
know literally got an inside view of what's going on there this entire
gangster paradise that Canada seems to have reared over there we heard the reasons why this exists there is this
very cozy Nexus between the gangsters and the khalistanis they both lend legitimacy to each other and now you
have the government of Canada throwing allegations at India saying that we are using gangsters uh to Target Canadian
Nationals absolutely uh Brazen allegations unwarranted allegations uh
Ambassador pral tell us what India's options are you know given what we are up against where the entire Canadian
State Machinery led by the Prime Minister and his office are carrying out
this campaign of vilification against India I would like to begin by by
quoting kushal when he said Canada is like a salad yes and as you rightly
pointed out there are lots of rotten apples and those R rotten apples have
found place in the salad even worse there are rotten eggs now who are these
rotten apples and these rotten eggs these are gangsters and the these are extremist
elements who are thriving and who are propagating separatism extremism and
violence against India right a very rightly said that the root cause of this
is vote band politics judau and many of the other Canadian politicians have been
indulging in BO band politics and that has made them caught the support of some
of these khalistani elements who are tied to the criminal elements there is a
very close Nexus between that now for we just referred to jmit sing danal his
name was mentioned now tudo doesn't have a majority in the Canadian Parliament
yes the Canadian House of Commons has 338 seats right any party needs 170 at
the bare minimum tudo had about 160 so he needed more seeds he needed outside
support and that was given to him by jagm singal and meet Singh Dalal has
very close khalistani connections he has been an outspoken supporter of the
khalistan movement and has called for the break up of India and the separation of Punjab from India now what has been
the Fallout of these policies I'm afraid that the Fallout has been that Canada
has become a hot bed not just Foria activities by these extremists but also
for criminal activities now there was a um reference a little while ago made to
the oci cards yes sometimes these cards may have been issued to people who fled
India or Forge documents right and that happened with the connivance and the
assistance of the Canadian authorities the Canadians have been allowing people
who are wanted by us right to flourish from their soil yes these people have changed names they have changed their
identities and in good faith sometimes the government of India may have issued travel documents like the oci C there is
no doubt the government is very serious about canceling some of these oci guards
right because of the fact that there are some dangers which people like Mr kushal have pointed out yes now where do we go
from here unfortunately the Canadian government is hand in glove with these criminal and
extremist elements absolutely Ambassador I'm going to interrupt you there let me bring in uh Captain um Alo bunel in uh
you know uh Captain bunel welcome to the news9 Plus show you just heard our panelist talking about the problem that
we are facing it's a very unique kind of a situation we a western democracy uh hosting designated terrorists gangsters
uh who seem to have uh you know a free run on their territory but tell us what
India can do a apart from what Ambassador pral mentioned that you know
cancelling oci cards uh is there any other things that the government of India can do in impose sanctions for
instance see there are a lot of issues that uh come to mind and it must first let me amplify what uh kosal had said
and this we need to understand uh not only jmit sing's party
NDP and jmit Singh has very clear linkages with khalistanis he had opposed if you remember Nat's visit to Canada
when he was the Commerce Minister uh but in Liberal Party itself one of the
former MPS Ramesh Singa had very clearly stated that a large number of policy makers within the Liberal Party have
linkes with kalist rather than acting on Ramesh sing's complaint Ramesh Singa himself
was suspended from the party so that's the level of uh uh inroads that these
penetration the khalistanis have done into understand as kosal said that the linkages between criminals and
khalistanis have ensured that they dominate The Society their numbers may not be large but uh they have an
influence either out of fear out of money power whatever be the case they influence they have a disproportionately
large influence in the society right and the next important factor now what should India do the fact is I think
Indian diplomats need to be proactive there is no doubt that some of our probably diplomats have been wanting
if somebody who's branding a gun has been allowed to come to India with an oci card there is something drastically
wrong with us I think we need to screen all these people who are demonstrating taking part in anti-india demonstrations
and they should be marked they should be identified they their visits to India should be actually curtailed because
irrespective of who they are it is certain that they would have at least some relatives in India they would want
to come to India for pilgrimage we can curtail them as far as Canada is concerned the first thing which we can
do is trade is not essential because trade I think they are one of the 16th largest investor in India but we can
curtail the movement of students going to Canada for degrees we can simply recognize degrees being issued by
Canadian universities period that by one single step we can actually prevent all
students going to Canada we can just say that the degree is being issued by Canadian institutions are not recognized
by India Absolut we can actually curtail that that's one of a major source of uh
funding for many of the for the Canadian economy absolutely thank you very much Captain bansel but you know I want to go
over to my colleague adiar Raj call who has in his possession the dossier and
some very important names that the government of India has given to the Canadian authorities and of course we
all know that there's been no response uh to that dossier or indeed the names
that uh these uh of these gangsters that India has asked for uh from Canada uh
I'm going to ask ad now to just take us through the most wanted adya the Most
Wanted gangsters who are currently hiding in Canada who are you know running this uh kistan movement also
these secessionists terrorists gangsters in Canada but terrorists elsewhere I
take us through these uh gangsters that we're looking at well this this is what we have been discussing over the last 3
to 4 days uh ever since the standoff really began the Diplomatic standoff between India and Canada you can see
sandep sing siddu India's most Wanted terrorist he's in the ni list he's a
fugitive there's a red Corner notice against him you can see he's on number five there are in fact 26 fugitives and
on several occasions India has shared details with Canada but there is no response at all this is sandep Singh
siddu uh you can see all details about his crimes he's also known as Sunny he has successfully executed and done
targeted killings in 2020 you would remember Bender Singh Sandu was in fact killed by him and he fled to Canada uh
we can move on to the other uh you know terrorist this is gurpinder Singh also
known as Baba dalah uh his father's name is surjit Singh he's from Ludhiana and
he's currently in British Colombia in Canada now imagine he's also in the top five list that was mentioned by the
ministry of external Affairs yesterday when I raised that question to them about who these people are and what
extradition do you want on the list also is lakir Singh L one of the most crucial
terrorists that the ni and the India's RNA has been trying to track uh in India
and in Canada you can see a long list of activities Terror related activities he's originally from tantaran in Punjab
and you can see how ni had announced a reward of 15 lakhs on lakir Singh Landa
and currently uh he is on social media openly you know brandishing his views
and Terror activities he's a gangster now based in Canada moving on now you
can see the second most Wanted of the gangsters who are now hiding in Canada
this is charanjit Singh you can see he's originally uh from India his nationality
is Indian but he's hiding and is based in s in Canada in fact interestingly I
can tell the viewers that on 20th of October in Sur G Dara tender Singh
parmar is being celebrated a marm day is being marked for tender Singh parmar he
is The Mastermind of the Air India keska bombing 1985 in which 329 people were
killed majority of them Canadians moving on the number one on the list is satinderjit Singh and Goldie BR you
would have heard about Goldie BR he's the right-hand man he's the man Friday of the Lawrence bishnoi gang in fact he
was involved in the killing of a popular musician siddu musala in Punjab as well
and in the last 3 to four years continuously India has been able to you know trying to track him and asking
Canadians to act the RCMP the CIS but what's the response Canadians are just not interested you can see a long list
of activities of uh you know satindra jit Singh or goldi in Punjab in Delhi in
Rajasthan remember he's sitting in Canada he's sitting in Canada and you can see he's originally from mtas in
Punjab but he's in can in fact in the last 36 hours I have spoken to some Intelligence Officers of Indian origin
in Canada who have confirmed to me that Goldie BR continues to be in Canada this was a list sandep of the people who are
in fact involved these are the list of also people India ask Canada to act against either arrest them convict them
as per Canadian laws or hand them over to India Justin trudo blames India for
supporting bishnoi gang but what stops Justin Trudeau and his government and
the RCM and ceases to act against the Lawrence bishnoi gang members in Canada thanks adya it's uh gangster paradise
indeed Canada seems to have you know transformed into this uh you know refuge
for scoundrels and more worryingly terrorists as you said and you know one the one thing that jumped out at me ad
when you were uh taking us through that dossier is the fact that all of these guys seem to be connected with the isi
in some way or the other absolutely in fact what we do know uh uh is that uh
continuously there's been support money ammunition and of course all kind of
logistics being held by the Pakistani isi you know Pakistani isi is very much
active across Europe in us and in Canada you saw just a couple of years ago three years ago the killing of Karima Bach
mysterious killing of a top Balo leader we've seen other Pakistani activities in in fact in the foreign interference
commission hearing it has been admitted that Pakistan's diplomats or others have
been trying to act an influence uh you know in Canada in fact ad let's go over
to anud bhatacharya who joins us from Toronto anud welcome to the news9 Plus show uh you heard what adiya just uh
told us about the fact that Pakistan and the isi seem to be very deeply involved
with the Canadian underworld and the khalistani elements there how recent is this phenomena has it always been known
or is it only now that we are coming to know that you know there have been deep links between the isi and uh The
khalistani Gangs operating in Canada well as you know the history of kistan
uh there was support from Pakistan especially the isi uh lot of uh khalistani extremists
did go for training in Pakistan I mean that is also uh quite well known and
acknowledged uh in the present context of course uh as you know uh the AES
Chief had mentioned this uh about uh khalistan about Pakistan being focused
on uh Kalani elements to an extent in Canada uh and uh you know that is really
not a surprise uh because uh you know senior kistan figures in Canada as far
as I know have been invited uh winded and DED by Pakistani diplomats I think
in 2013 or 2014 uh the foreign Ministry in
Ottawa quietly asked uh Pakistan Diplomat the counil general at the time
uh to leave the country uh this is one of the factors behind that decision uh
and uh whether it's involved uh at the present time and degree to it it is
involved you know I I am not certain about that but I wouldn't be surprised
if there was some right absolutely and uh you know uh Captain bunel the fact that uh the isi
is deeply involved with the khalistani elements the separatist elements in Canada does that come as a big surprise
to you because the dossier that adya was pointing or and in fact anud was talking about says has repeated references to
the isi all of these rotten apples being in touch with one isi officer or the
other see there is no doubt that isi has always had those linkages with the
khalistani separatists in fact when kanishka bombing actually if you look at the case of kanishka bombing that
actually shows you how deep the penetration is it also shows the inefficacy of Canadian Judicial System
right all the perpetrators in fact everybody who indulged in that went scotf free people like rayat inderjit
Singh rayat are still floating free a sing Ruan Singh Malik till he was
assassin killed he was of floating and there were incontrovertible evidence
against these people that they were involved in that bombing and Canada did nothing right and here they are
fabricating stories yes so they're talking about Lawrence bishnoi gang people are there so
isi penetration within Canada is so deep that many of The Expatriate pakistanis
who are actually fighting the state have been repeating it if you remember t p who died he used to talk about it Karima
Balo they said committed suicide her husband her family everybody denies there was no reason for her to commit
suicide but they said no she's committed suicide and though everybody knows that
there is a foul play but I think isi is being given a clean chit by the Canadian
authorities so I think there is a deep infiltration of isi and support within
the state apparatus of Canada to a very great extent right and Mr Kudo and his
party of course is deeply infiltrated by khalistani syers who again have linkages
with isi so I think that is where I think the whole game is that the
Canadian government is doing the bedding of the isi and its supporters that's shocking uh you know practically adya
we've
just heard it from all our panelists the fact that not only are there
gangsters in Canada they're deeply entrenched with khalistani elements
they're in fact khalistani elements themselves and you have a near State sponsorship of terrorism from Canada if
you look at going by the fact that they're turning a blind eye to all of these gangsters repeated uh requests for
extradition uh Red Corner notices are being ignored and now we have it that the isi is you know seized an
opportunity over here you know what really are our options now why haven't we made a bigger noise about this adya
you know that's the big question that comes to mind well we perhaps thought that uh being democracies United States
and Canada in particular would listen to us there have been strategic uh you know dialog
but the larg question is also this isn't new I mean Pakistan's interference in
India's Internal Affairs is age old uh we know also about when karur was inaugurated months before that uh there
was evidence shared with Pakistan how how elements uh khalistani elements were
active in Pakistan and also how in other countries like UK in Canada in Us in
Australia uh there are elements who are being held by the Pakistani isi being funded being helped uh to encourage uh
you know this kind of a motivated political campaign against the Modi government and India as a whole uh we've
seen attacks on Indian diplomats taking place in recent times not just in Canada but in UK as well where uh you know
Vikram D Swami our Indian High Commissioner was heckled we also know how brazenly and openly uh you know
anti-india campaign celebrating terrorists are taking place you know Justin Trudeau is hated not just because
of his econom policies and the way he has governed he's also being hated because he's given a free run to
radicals and terrorists on his soil because you know under the gar of freedom of expression he cannot defend
terrorism he cannot defend separatism he cannot defend radical Society attacking
each other what's happening in Canada today on Sunday you will see in the Sur gurara tender Singh parar The Mastermind
of Air India kanishka bombing being celebrated and marked and this will be celebrated as a marom day and we might
see participation from the trudo government as well there shocking and in in fact I want to get closing comments
from Ambassador pru on this uh Ambassador pral you just heard it from ad the fact that the kanishka bomber is
going to be celebrated in Canada in a couple of days from now uh you're
looking at strangely some kind of uh joint action if you could say between
the five eyes countries coming together to pressurize India possibly at a time
when we uh Prime Minister Modi is going to be at the uh brick Summit next week do you see all of this as a coincidence
or is it just uh uh you know the five wise countries uh you know acting as
their Alliance asked them to well I think it shows a colonial
mindset these five ey countries socalled you know masters of the world as they
see themselves yes work in cahoots and uh in this particular instance it has so
happened that India's interests are conflicting with those of some of these
count I may mention that Canada and even the United States have allowed people
who are wanted criminals here in India yes to run away to the United States and
their citizenship applications have been fast tracked so in other words they have
been given full protection by Canada the United States and also to some extent by
Australia and the United Kingdom right so it's it's all very unfortunate we
have been asking for the extradition of some of these criminal elements these
are criminal elements but our pleas have fallen on on deaf ears because all these
countries say that we believe in freedom of speech Just freedom of speech entitled these people to speak of
carrying out violent and activities against India I'm afraid that the relationship particularly with Canada
has sunk to a and it won't be coming up so easily it sunk to a new law indeed Ambassador d uh you know that we almost
completely
out of time but kushal you have a point to make before we uh move on to
the next segment yeah uh I would like to bring to
the notice of everyone is I cannot disclose the sources but it's very common knowledge if you go and talk to
any agency in North America and you'll notice how
some people of Punjabi origin have asked for flights to Nepal yes ask yourself
why are they going to Nepal this is a very serious concern guys and and and just one more line how did I find out
that this guy who was brandishing a gun outside the gurara in Calgary I think his name was gurak Singh randhava he had
participated in sfj 6 for justice organized event also you know how I knew
he came to India now I don't know if he has OC C or a Indian passport but I know because he posted it on his own social
media that's all I wanted to add this is the level of vetting of the Indian government everybody who lives we need
to be more Vigilant we need to be more alert because as we've just discussed we've heard from some of our brightest
uh speakers on National Security why Canada is such a big cause for concern
big cause for worry because it's become a uh hotbed for gangsters and uh
secessionists
and terrorists of all Hughes because Canada over the last couple of
years has turned into a gangster's paradise you just heard it
from our speakers here uh this is a story we've been following at news9 Plus for several months now we keep at it
thank you for joining us anud bachara kushal Ambassador
pru captain alok bansel and of course my colleague adya Raj who continues to be in the studio with me on the 7th of
October last year Hamas launched a murderous attack on Israeli civilians over 12200 Israeli men men women and
children were killed by Hamas terrorists it was the largest single day killing of
Jewish civilians since the Holocaust in the second world war now on the 17th of
October nearly a year later Israeli Defense Forces killed Yaya Sinar Sinar
is believed to be one of the masterminds behind the October 7th attacks so is this mission accomplished for the IDF
the killing of Yaya Sinar what happens to Hamas after sinar's death death who
is Khaled mashal hamas's new leader what is the policy that he's going to follow
will Israel halt its offensive in Gaza now that it's killed the October 7th
Mastermind and finally what happens to the 100 or so hostages still held by
Hamas how will Israel get them back joining me to discuss this are Michael Kobe former head interogation department
at the Israeli secret Services Le General rameswar Roy former d infantry
and in the studio I have with me my colleague adya Raj um over to my guest from Israel
first Michael welcome to the news9 Plus show uh a great day indeed uh we just a
day after uh Yaya Sinar the architect of the October 7th Massacre is been killed
by the IDF you one of the Israeli officials who's actually interrogated
Yaya Sinar tell us how he came across I'm going to tell you the story I'm going to tell you a short
story about what I did for the Israelis and what what was my position I was the head
of the Israeli Department of interrogation in the Secret Service Israeli Secret Service you know in my
position I intergate not only with we arrested yes at
1989 May 89 100 520 Kamas member include y include the
leader Ahmed Yin and all the staff of the officers of Hamas yes I start
interrogate with at the very beginning he doesn't want to say anything about the
interrogation he said that he prefer to be a Shahid he want to be killed by the
Israeli instead to speak about his you know
position in the Hamas right so I told him look you're not going to be killed you are going to tell me all the story
everything that you did against the Israelis and I want to know about the Hamas exactly what you did right so I
took him to Ahmed Yin the leader to the room of the leader Ahmed Yin already
talk everything Ahad Yin gave him a fatwa and he order him to say everything
to to speak and to tell us everything that he did against Israel he told us
that he was nominated by ah to be the man was taking care
for that the force of gallery yes of gallery yeah
and to be the men are taking responsibility for the education in
Gaza in his position position you know he brought hundred of hundred of knives
rubber knife to the kindergarten yes to students two or three years old and
teach them how to kill Israeli and to make a competition who is killing more
Israelis right that's himself but his own hand yes
killed 12 Palestinian innocent people Palestinian
that he said that they are were we're cooperating with the Israeli and there is they wasn't cooperating with us he
cut their heads that's the reason all the hanun citizens called him the
butcher from kanun absolutely the butcher from they him not me not us yes
the butcher from Khan unun but uh you know Michael thanks very much for taking us through that interrogation of Yaya s
the fact that it just tells you the kind of bloodthirsty Maniac he was was I
whoever sanctioned that October 7th attack could not have been anything less from what you just mentioned but tell us
whether this actually the killing of Yaya Sinar does it mean the end of Israel's operations in Gaza or will it
continue till the 100 or so civilians who belied to be still in hamas's custody are return to Israel it's not
the end of the Hamas it's not the end I'm saying that now we have to destroy
the ability of the Hamas Fighter the Hamas terrorist in G right I know that
there moral is very low after dead not only because dead there
are 25 officers that the Israelis killed in the last year right that was the
headquarter of the Hamas of course after we kill is Ania and we
killara they their moral is very low right you know
even at the last month he disappear only because we killed his best friend you
know raim mus that's the man with with Muhammad de
and and more people that was the man will prepare the seven October Massacre
yes now you have to know that are never
agree to bring the hostages never agree to make a negotiation yes he you know
play with the world he play with the world he play with isra he play with all
the leaders in the world right he laughing at them you know because he never mean to bring hostages he want to
he wanted to be survived and fortunately our soldiers killed him yesterday yes
that's the best thing for the whole world all free world must be happy right
because the world must be United with Israel to fight the terrorist in Gaza
and in Lebanon absolutely you know terror is not a kind of Life Terror must
be must be of course destroyed from the little one to the big one yes AB thanks
Michael thanks for telling us that you know I want to bring in general ramesar
Roy uh you know who's listening very patiently General Roy welcome to the
news9 Plus show uhk you you've seen uh how Israel has really gone after Hamas
and of course Hezbollah in the last couple of months 12 months in fact to be precise do you believe that the
victories that Israel has won against both hisbah and Hamas are going to bring in some kind of lasting peace in West
Asia or do you see this problem as being deferred for another few
decades you see that is what is the biggest problem you know we have been into this kind of a Warfare yes ever
since our independence indan Army is concerned now the issue is that any of these outfits no matter how many of
their leaders are killed yes it only gets degraded right earlier speaker also
had mentioned the same thing that uh you can't finish off these outfits yes by these stealing of leaders or their
infrastructure or whatever else that it depicts their existence it only gets degraded and over
a time it builds up again and it will come back again right so we cannot say that this issue is a going to contribute
to the lasting peace in any manner yes of course to the Israelis Defense
Forces it is a moral Victory it is a victory which will be celebrated which
needs to be celebrated they have been complimented time and again for the kind of intelligent setup that they have and
the way they've been able to eliminate or they've been able to sort of Target these leaders and kill them one by one
but all this is contributing to only their degradation right if you go by the
real achievements or biggest failure of Israel so far in last one year has been
that they have not been able to secure the release of the hostages that yes
Hamas has got that should tell us the course of
events which are to follow unless they are able to get the release of these hostages yes I do not think that even a
temporary success is being really achieved by the Israeli Defense Forces
right and that is a question or that is a mood point that needs to be debated
and as far as the tone and texture of this entire conflict in the West Asia is concerned yes that has really gone to a
very high level with Iran and its proxies yes joining in the the conflict
absolutely General ramesar Roy I'm just going to bring in my colleague Aditya Raj call who's also been looking at this
very closely Aditya you know uh the point that General Roy made the fact that there can be no real Victory unless
in the short term you secure the release of those hostages how serious is Israel
about getting the release of these hostages from Hamas and where are they really being held well Israel says and
the political leadership of Israel has been very adamant that uh we care for the hostages we'll do whatever is
possible there's a side by side parallel hostage deal that is being negotiated for last several months uh in which
several Middle Eastern countries and the United States is participating uh but one needs to understand that Israelis
have taken a call the society the government and the IDF yes that even though we are trying to secure and we
care for our hostages we will not compromise on our ground operations or overall War objectives against Hamas as
well as hisbah absolutely we've seen the entire top leadership of Hamas being completely decimated yes from yahaya
Sinar to uh you know Muhammad de to Han so at this moment there's a leadership
crisis within the Hamas they haven't had any advantages in the recent times
although the main area of battle right now is the northern froner in Lebanon
theah but the war is far from over is far from over there's a call for a
decisive action by Israel against Iran that remains a threat possibly to extend
the regional conflict as of now uh thanks ad I'm going to ask Michael Kobe this uh Michael the Israeli hostages was
still in hamas's custody about 100 of them we know how Israel values its civilians all life in Israel is uh you
know there have been uh cases of a thousand uh terrorists being released
for the just one Israeli soldier now given that there are 100 civilian hostages still held by Hamas how do you
get them back I know that now I know there is no negotiation now they never
agree for negotiation theas yes we met a negotiation only with Qatar Egypt and
America not with the Hamas and we don't have any from the Hamas from the
meantime but I think that now we have the momentum and after we killed in we
have to act very fast to achieve the hostages as soon as possible you know to
bring them back to Isel even to give prices to the people you know from Gaza
because they are not in a you know in a custody they are not in a jail they are
not in you know in a big place they are in some places up and inside up the the
ground and down the ground you know and we have to find them and to ask the people to give them prices to give them
money to give us information about the hostages to do do it as squee as
possible before they will R right absolutely uh thank you very much uh
Michael for you know highlighting this big item on Israel's agenda the next big
uh item after the murder of uh Yaya Sinar the assassination of Yaya Sinar
the October 7th Mastermind is the safety of its civilians hostages uh taken from
Hamas of course that's something that we will be looking at very closely here as
we track this uh ongoing crisis in West Asia Israel fighting a multif front war
against Hamas and hisbah it's achieved a reprieve with the killing of Yaya Sinar but the civilian hostages still held by
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