Intelligence review committee releases reports for 2019

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Streamed live on Mar 12, 2020

At a news conference in Ottawa, Liberal MP David McGuinty, chair of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, and Rennie Marcoux, executive director of the committee’s secretariat, discuss the findings contained in the committee’s annual reports for 2019. The committee, which is comprised of both MPs and senators, reviews all government activities related to security and intelligence.

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TRANSCRIPT

good morning everybody welcome to the National Trust Theater for her second film aquatic security national nursing

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man Monsieur David McGinty on the avocados in a second here the second a

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lucky Remy Marko we'll start with a statement from mr. McGinty and then open the floor to

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questions mr. McGinty thank you very much very messy good morning ladies and gentlemen Bonjour Monsieur damn thank

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you for joining us with me as has just been mentioned is rainy Marku the executive director of the Secretariat

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earlier today two reports of the national security and intelligence committee of parliamentarians or an

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sykov were tabled in parliament our second annual report and a special

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report on defense intelligence these reports were submitted to the Prime Minister on August 30th 2019 they are

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the result of the dedicated work of my colleagues on the 2019 committee senators and members of parliament alike

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from all major parties and groups I want to personally thank senators Frances

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Lincoln Percy down and Verne white and members of parliament in Manuel de Bourgh Diane Finley Hedy fry Cody

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Hutchings Rob Nicholson Marie Rankin and Brendan Shanahan for their extremely

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truly Canadian as I've said before these reports are intended to contribute to an

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informed and mature debate on the difficult challenges of providing security and intelligence organisations

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with the exceptional powers necessary to identify and counter threats to the

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nation while at the same time ensuring that their activities continue to respect and preserve our democratic

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rights please note that encik openness Secretariat has also indicated that it

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remains available to brief parliamentarians on both reports if and when requested the Mandate of insuk op

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is to review the overall framework for national security and intelligence in Canada to examine any activity that is carried

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out by any department that relates to national security or intelligence and to

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review any matter relating to national security or intelligence that may be referred to the committee by a minister

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before members are appointed to the committee they must all obtain a top secret clearance and swear an oath of

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office members are permanently bound to secrecy under the security of Information Act and in the context of

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Anza cops work they waived their parliamentary privilege these security

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requirements allow the committee to have access to highly classified information necessary to fulfill its mandate and to

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the revised versions absent information deemed injurious to national security to

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national defense to international relations or to solicitor client

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privilege revisions are marked in the text of the reports and where possible we offer an unclassified summary of the

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information that was redacted in total the annual report makes 19 findings and

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eight recommendations to the government the special report makes four findings

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and three recommendations to the government let's begin by discussing the committee's three substantive reviews in

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the annual report turning to the first diversity and inclusion in the security

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and intelligence community a diverse workforce is made up of individuals with an array of identities abilities

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perspectives and experience an inclusive workforce is fair equitable support of

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committee believes that organizations responsible for defending Canada and protecting Canadians must leverage the

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broad range of skills talent experience and perspectives that our country has to

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offer and third as shown in numerous international reports and studies on S&I

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organizations a diverse and inclusive workforce is critical to operational

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success and performance the first this first-ever review provides a baseline of

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where the S&I community as a whole is in terms of diversity and inclusion for the

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four designated groups under the Employment Equity Act women Aboriginal

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peoples members of visible minorities and persons with disabilities our review

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shows that in the national security and intelligence agencies overall the representation of these designated

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groups is lower than the overall Canadian public service more

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specifically members of visible minorities are underrepresented across the SMI community relative to their

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the monitoring of employment equity improved data collection and analysis and finally a common set of performance

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measures to strengthen accountability for diversity and inclusion let me now

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turn to the second review in the 2019 annual report the government response to

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foreign interference this review examined the threat facing Canada from

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foreign interference and the government's response to that threat on both fronts the committee heard

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testimony from dozens of officials from the Canadian security and intelligence community reviewed thousands of pages of

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documentation both classified and open source and I mean thousands of pages and

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deliberated at great length first the threat our democratic institutions and

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independent media civil society academia and our electoral system and process

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support effective accountable and transparent government however the

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review demonstrates that those same institutions are also vulnerable to foreign actors seeking to covertly and

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inappropriately interfere or exert influence in Canada the committee's

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review focused on traditional means of foreign interference in other words person-to-person the review did not

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the magnitude and nature of the challenge of foreign interference in Canada the committee's assessment of the threat

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is best described at paragraph 189 on page 77 and I quote the committee

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believes there is ample evidence that Canada is the target of significant and sustained foreign interference

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activities the PRC the Russian Federation other states the committee

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believes that these states target Canada for a variety of reasons but all seek to exploit the openness of our society and

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penetrate our fundamental institutions to meet their objectives they target

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ethno-cultural communities seek to corrupt the political process manipulate

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the media and attempt to curate debate on post-secondary campuses each of these

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activities pose a significant risk to the rights and freedoms of Canadians and to the country's sovereignty they are a

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clear threat to the security of Canada now let me turn to the government's

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response to the threat the committee conducted a thorough examination of the primary security and intelligence

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organizations responsible for investigating and countering the threat of foreign interference

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CSIS Global Affairs Canada the Privy Council office Public Safety Canada and

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the RCMP we undertook a deep dive into the extent and sufficiency of

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interdepartmental coordination we examined a series of case studies of Canadian responses to instances of

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foreign interference in Canada we examine the extent to which the Government of Canada engaged with other

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orders of government and the Canadian public and finally we examined international collaboration and

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coordination the review found that the interdepartmental coordination and

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collaboration on foreign interference was done on a case by case even on an

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ad-hoc basis it found also that there are differences in how individual

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organizations interpret the gravity and prevalence of the threat and found the

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federal government's engagement with provincial and municipal governments and the Canadian public on the threat from

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turn to our third review the national security and intelligence activities of the Canada Border Services Agency the

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committee conducted a first-ever independent review of the most sensitive national security and intelligence

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activities of the Canada Border Services Agency a core part of Canada's national

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security and intelligence community the review included an examination of the following activities scenario based

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targeting surveillance activities the use of confidential human sources

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lookouts that is electronic records that flag high-risk persons or goods for

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further examination and CBSA's joint operations with other law enforcement or

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security partners the committee obtained and analyzed more than 16,000 documents

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from CBS a on its activities and its partnerships with the RCMP CSIS and

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immigration refugees and Citizenship Canada we also met on several occasion

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with the CBSA's senior leadership in reviewing the records provided by CBS a

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the committee film that CBSA's authorities to conduct national security and intelligence activities are clear

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cinema this concludes the reviews contained in the annual report turning

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now the committee's special report on the collection use retention and

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dissemination of information on Canadians in the context of intelligence

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activities conducted by the Department of National Defense and the Canadian Armed Forces I would refer henceforth to

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both of these entities simply as DND this special review resulted from the

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committee's 2018 review of dandies defense intelligence activities near the

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end of that process D&E provided the committee with an internal directive that gives guidance to troops and

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employees on how to manage the collection of Canadian citizen information this is known as the can

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sift directive the committee did not have sufficient time to analyze that directive and instead concluded that a

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special review was important for three key reasons one the collection of

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information on Canadians is clearly a critical and sensitive issue to the

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committee wanted to understand exactly what laws govern the collection use

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retention and dissemination of information about Canadians by D and E and three the committee wanted to assess

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whether or not the practical application of this directive gave rise to any legal

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committee find it found and I want to be very clear here that DND believes that

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the Privacy Act DND believes that the Privacy Act does not apply to its

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overseas operations as a result the committee performed an opinion that DND

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defense intelligence activities conducted as part of overseas operations

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may not be in compliance let me stress again may not be in compliance with the

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Privacy Act which led the committee to refer this matter to the Attorney General in accordance with its

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obligation under Section 31.1 of the in sykov Act our enabling legislation which

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reads as follows the committee must inform the appropriate minister and the

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Attorney General of Canada of any activity that is carried out by Department and is related to national

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security and intelligence and that in the committee's opinion may not be in

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compliance with the law the committee also calls on the Minister of National Defense to ensure the department

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complies with the letter and spirit of the Privacy Act in all of its defense intelligence activities whether they're

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conducted in Canada or abroad as part of this review the committee again examined

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Dee Dee's reliance on the crown prerogative as the legal basis for defense intelligence activities during

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this examination DND stated that it is their belief that an exercise of the

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crown prerogative could in the future provide them with the authority to

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direct their intelligence activities at Canadians the committee considered this

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matter very carefully and concluded that the crown prerogative may not prove to

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be an adequate source of authority to undertake such activities in fact this

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analysis reinforced and indeed strengthened the committee's 2018 assessment and recommendation that

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defense intelligence activities require a formal statutory basis this is why the

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Committee recommends that the Minister of National Defense introduce legislation governing defense

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intelligence activities for cochlear the committee chair a mercy to tase

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organization le represent occupatus P SS exam a committee wishes to thank all

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organizations and officials involved in this series of reviews I would be remiss

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if I did not mention that the committee faced some challenges in getting information from certain departments

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that it deemed relevant to its work these challenges are described in the foreword to the annual report and I have

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discussed them at length with the prime minister we are presently following up with the prime minister's national

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security and intelligence advisor and we look forward to enhanced cooperation from all members of the security and

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intelligence community and finally with reference to both reports table today it

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is the committee's sincerest hope that its findings and recommendations will help to make the national security and

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intelligence community more accountable and more effective I now look forward to

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your questions thank you very much Kevin

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Gallagher CTV and the next one will be Marie Brewster from just good morning

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almost afternoon thanks for taking our questions um in terms of foreign

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interference and recommendations you talked about a whole-of-government approach but obviously espionage is

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about as old as statecraft itself so what what's missing what are the gaps

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right now that need to be addressed in the government's response to the sustained effort by numerous countries

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including China and Russia to spy on Canadians the report goes to

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considerable lengths to lay out foreign interfered foreign interference under

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two key rubrics one is a clear description of the threat and the other

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is perhaps most importantly the it's response to that threat that was the import of the review itself so if

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you look at that section that that review you will see that it lays out a whole series of different examples of

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tensions challenges inside the federal government challenges around understanding what foreign interference

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does or does not mean in one statute or another but let's be clear on this there

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is ample evidence the committee believes that Canada is the target of significant and sustained foreign interference

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Activities Committee also believes that these activities pose a significant risk

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to the rights and the freedoms of Canadians and to our sovereignty there are clear threat to the security of

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Canada the government's response had not been examined at this strategic level

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ever before this review so we're hoping that some of the recommendations in the direction that we're recommending the

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government take will lead to a more fulsome more integrated more centralized more coordinated and hold of government

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response one of the things we do point to in the report is the example from

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Australia just recently Australia launched its new

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counter interference strategy it also then created the post of the national

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counter foreign interference coordinator and then as recently as December 2019

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Beck's topped it with a recently created task force to deal specifically with

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foreign interference in Australia and funded it to the level to the tune of 90 million dollars for a single task force

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but specifically within the framework here I mean is there a lack of communication between it seems that that

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CSIS takes the lead on most of these files is there a lack of communication when it comes to the RCMP and it seems

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that the CBSA I know they're covered in a different part a section of this report but it does seem like there's a

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need for the CBSA to also have be more in the loop when it comes to the

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potential of foreign interference and within canada's governance structures

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and institutions you're right in pointing out that their needs there there needs to be enhanced cooperation

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interdepartmental cooperation integration sharing of information

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clarity when it comes to defining what foreign interference is or is not better

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efforts at reaching out and engaging civil society actors academic institutions the Canadian public all of

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these things are laid out in considerable detail in the review itself which is why we're saying it's time it's

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time for Canada to move forward and improve its cooperation and at the

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governmental level there needs to be more cooperation internal to the government and internationally as well we've got a certain distance with the g7

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there have been new efforts launched internationally but it's time now we

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think to look at other models other example of examples Australia's one to

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say how can we get this better for Canadians given what we've seen south of

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the border in the 2016 election I don't think many Canadians would necessarily be surprised by the fact that there are

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foreign actors Russia and China as an example that would be trying to interfere with our democracy so is it

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fair to say that with this report today you're sending a message to the government that they've not been taking

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this seriously enough I think what we're

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saying to the government is that it's a reminder from the committee that Canada

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is the target of significant and sustained foreign interference activities we're saying that there have

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been efforts made at the governmental level different institutions departments agencies to respond to it but that that

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response can be vastly improved we're saying that there's no evidence that

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that foreign interference is is going to cease and desist we're

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saying that appears to be continuous it appears to be in different settings it appears to be we've listed a number of

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examples that in university contexts we've talked about this at length when it comes to media and the free media

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foreign language media we've talked about the effects of foreign interference on ethno-cultural

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communities and the pressure some of those communities may feel so we've pointed this out we've broken it down

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into as I said earlier the threat of foreign interference and the government's response to it

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and we're really focusing on saying to the sending the message to the government that things can be improved

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good efforts have been have been made but it's time to up our game when it

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comes to foreign interference you've referred the special report to the

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Attorney General dd has said to you that it doesn't believe that its operations overseas are

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necessarily covered by the Privacy Act so what now is the is the Attorney

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General going to investigate it will be up to the Attorney General to determine whether or not D and E has in fact

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broken the Privacy Act the committee is not an adjudicative one we don't conduct

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trials we're not a commission of inquiry we are sachit orally obligated to refer

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the matter to the Attorney General I think that question is now best put to the Attorney General Alex

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donto silence it's not good market or good butas you can mr. McGinty how big

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of an issue is the fact that most of the targets of foreign interference are not actually you know have clearance to

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receive classified information from CSIS I know CSIS is particularly anxious about their role and briefing you know

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some sub-national levels of government or universities or businesses because they that's not technically in the CSIS

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Act so how big of an issue is that in terms of addressing this threat the committee did here and the report

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reflects that challenge is well inherent in the response to foreign interference and we pointed out

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four Canadian so they understand that this is a problem I often refer to it in colloquial angles or being plain English

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languages you know challenges on when it comes to vertical integration we can have frontline police officers who are

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unfamiliar the report states clearly that many frontline police officers

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don't understand what the concept of foreign interference is don't understand the definition that's pointed out in report and you rightly point out as well

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that we we're indicating that this is a roadblock sharing of information to be

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able to respond holistically between different orders of government different

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police forces different efforts this is a challenge Dick Fadden likes to say

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that Canadians are concerned about this issue because they don't feel at all threatened by you know foreign espionage

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or foreign interference can you put in concrete terms why you know your average

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Canadian should be actually concerned about the effect either in the short term medium or long term of foreign

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interference the report is replete with information and examples around the

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threat of foreign interference again we've spoken about things that have

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taken place in Toronto school board's university settings ethno-cultural

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communities media settings it's all there

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and taken together combined the committee fields to repeat myself there

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the detoxification the top piece knee pain kastanka spellpower happens rectum so mr. McGinty mentioned in the report

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that you had issues with some departments and agencies in terms of the information that they were handing over whether it was a full report or actual

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documents and you've racist with the Prime Minister can you name the departments or agencies that you face

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this resistance from sure in the report we're in my prep my remarks I do talk

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about in my opening remarks I do talk about some of the difficulties we're facing I'm gonna ask our executive director

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speak to that directly because this is very much a question of officials to

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officials negotiation discussion and of course sourcing the information perhaps rainy

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mark who can answer that directly for sure thank you so I'll just go back and quote our right of access in our

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legislation because that's very important so our Act says that the committee is entitled to have access to

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any and nation that is under the control of a department and that's related to the fulfillment of the committee's mandate

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very broad access we have certain four categories of information to which we

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are not allowed to have so cabinet confidences information on human sources

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protected witnesses and any information dealing with a law enforcement

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investigation that may lead to prosecution so for very clear categories

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of restricted information our Act also says that if we want to review an

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activity and the minister responsible deems that activity to be injurious to

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national security the minister must inform the committee under no

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circumstances in any of our reports to date have we received a letter from the minister advising us that our review had

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been injurious to national security that said and we do indicate in two reviews

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the review on diversity and inclusion and a review on can sit that we faced

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challenges in getting information that we deemed relevant to our studies so in

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the cancer it would be the Department of National Defense and also in the same

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National Defense from in our diversity and inclusion study and then maybe more

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generic generally from the Privy Council office itself so I didn't follow up I've

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raised these issues this issue directly with the prime minister right and now if we're now following up with

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the prime minister's national security and intelligence advisor to to make sure

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that we come to ground on a much clearer understanding between the committee and the government what the committee has

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access to or does not have access to based on the enabling legislation so we're following up on this quite quite

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directly and so given the findings here on for an interference that there needs to be more action done we know that you

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haven't looked at the election or cyber side of this and that a report on the election is coming and you'll see it are

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you concerned at all about the timing of getting that being able to study it and make recommendations that could be

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made and changed the system for the next election I think it's a fair question I think the committee would be concerned

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about making sure that we receive that in a timely fashion so we can in fact look at it carefully and and respond if

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the committee so desires we'll have to wait and see but we're not in a position to say anything at this stage we haven't

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seen it but we're looking forward to seeing it I'm wondering if you could

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repeat in English that the answer to my colleagues question in French for the camera so you mentioned single out two

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countries China and Russia in terms of foreign interference why were you able to name those but not the others that

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you mention are present as well China and Russia have been named publicly in

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the media in reports by Fink tanks in academic studies by other foreign actors

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partners states that engage in foreign interference the committee also named

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China and Russia in the opening chapter of its 2018 annual report the question

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of identifying or speaking about any other country is a question of redaction and I explained the redaction process at

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the beginning of my comments so we're really in no position to speak further about any other country in any detail

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other than China and Russia on the special report concerning national

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defense to what extent is there an intersection between your concerns about

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compliance with the Privacy Act and any efforts by military intelligence to

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track foreign fighters who are Canadian abroad that's a good question

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it's not one that we addressed directly in our review of the cancer directive the special report I do think we have

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some we've said a few things about that towards the end we say that Canadians

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who do go abroad to to fight should not be shielded from the

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legitimate Intelligence and Security activities of the state and so Alex

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wants to go for round two and so does Marie Brewster after and it took my

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question but I'll go at this another sure a little bit differently the you're

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a committee of parliamentarians so it's it's different than being you know the national security review agency

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politically what would you say the effect is of publicly naming Russia and

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China do you think that's important and significant to do that I think one of

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the features of the national security and intelligence community of parliamentarians is that unlike the new

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review agency I think we're a little bit different in the sense that we're the eyes and ears were a proxy group of

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Canadians parliamentarians from both houses that represent 37 million-plus Canadians we don't set out in our work

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our reviews to do anything but reflect what we've seen what we're able to show

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and what is the result of extensive deliberations amongst representatives from all parties in both houses one of

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the interesting features of this report like the reports the four that so far that we have released is that they are

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100% consensual everyone agrees with the

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findings we pour over this wording very carefully clause by Clause paragraph by

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paragraph heading by heading it's not always easy to come to ground and

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consensus but we do the reports are unanimous so we don't set out to do

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anything but reflect what we what we have seen and what we think is important

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to share with Canadians it's a very non partisan approach

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we think it's a very we just think that national security and intelligence issues transcend partisanship and they

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ought to be able to transcend partisanship so the question of knock-on

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effects of saying one thing or another in the report isn't the informing ethic

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of the committee the informing ethic of the committee is how can we work for

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Canadians to try and improve the security and intelligence landscape in this country how do we make sure that

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the powers the exercise are properly exercised that their resource properly

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that they're also counterbalance with the protection of our charter rights privacy for example so looking at the

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question of naming one question country over another was not something that

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informed the work on this review what informed the work in this review was to

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what extent is our government responding how well is the government responding to this threat of foreign interference

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that's why it is review on the response to foreign interference by the Canadian

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government so we're hoping this is going to help lay it out for Canadians plain

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English plain French everybody's capable of understanding us reading that this is

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these are this is a threat this is what the government's doing efforts have been made but there's room for improvement so

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our recommendations which are unanimous are very much about trying to improve

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our ability in the government's ability to respond and I'm aware that you

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obviously can't get into details can you give any kind of ballpark about how many other countries we're talking about here

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is that a lot of other countries that engage in foreign no no we're not allowed I'm sorry I can't get into that

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thank you thank you for trying I forgot okay

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let's just give her a question first before we get back here Alex sorry

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actors are using their ethno-cultural communities what do you want Canadians to take away from that given there are

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obviously sensitivities and some of those communities already face a lot of stigma I would say one of the most

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important messages the committee wants to impart about ethno-cultural Communities is that there are targets

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they are targets and that's what concerns the committee their rights as

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Canadian citizens are targeted their freedoms are targeted and we've laid out

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the kinds of activities that take place from different sources so we are we're

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concerned we're concerned about our fellow Canadians in ethno-cultural communities who may be may be targeted

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by different forum by foreign actress or pursuing a foreign interference and

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person-to-person foreign interference traditional foreign interference and that would be the most important message

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in your report and your tone now should we take away from that that China and

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Russia had been successful and their objectives but these aren't just attempts not in a position to answer

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that we focused very much on what the

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threat looks like as folsom early as possible and we focused even more on the

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government's ability to respond to the threat how well it was responding and

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where it could improve try to give everybody a second question let's do one

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question Alex and then one question Marie and then one question not good as

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well okay and then we'll come back if we have the time sure on the central

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response to this you've mentioned Australia a couple of times I wonder if the committee gave any thought to what a

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domestic answer might be whether it be one agency taking the lead on foreign interference whether it be a PCO

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initiative through the national security intelligence advisor

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yeah we're just we you know the committee feels its role is to assess

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follow the evidence valuate and report committee the members

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don't feel as if they're in a position to prescribe what kind of fine-tuning

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has to go on in the engine room I said this before we sometimes have to get

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into the engine room to understand how things work but there are better mechanics and engineers than us perhaps

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who can fine-tune and improve so we didn't want to prescribe what it looks

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like who might take that lead where it might be located but it is a clarion

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call for improvement

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why should Canadians care that D&D does not feel constrained by the Privacy Act

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and its overseas operations and are you concerned the DND may have been sharing

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private information about Canadians with allies Canadians should be concerned

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with the possibility because it speaks

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to their their their rights but that

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being said we've seen no evidence here of unlawfulness we have been very very

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very careful they're very specific about referring the matter to the Attorney General and I've laid out the language

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in my opening remarks we're bound to do so just as we're bound to maybe to go

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aside a little bit for a second just as we're bound I think to to call out the government if it's not prepared to share

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information with the committee I remember Minister Goodell in the debate leading up to the creation of the National Security Committee saying he's

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saying quite frequently and others shared this view that if the committee

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for some reason wasn't getting access to the information it was entitled to receive under its statute it could

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call out organizations call out departments just as we've done in this report today in writing and verbally so

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we're not sure what the next steps are for the Attorney General but we've done our job

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it's up to the AG now to do his job

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